Since a few day, Goonswarm Federation has been really active in Hentogaira. they are podding every ice miner there is and they now they reached their ultimate goal: http://goonfleet.net/miners/. it seems to me they are now officially a maffia gank that rips people off for money.

250mill for 1 character just to mine ice. this is just perfect. many miners like myself are just casual gamers that afk-mine when doing some work. we dont make 250mill just to be able to mine. if we wanna make 250mill we should chance to hardcore mode and mine ALOT before reaching the 250mill.

also, its just too easy to gank a miner. i just saw a mackinaw get shot by a Brutix. this mean that a 15-30mill worth ship just ganked a 150mill worth ship, thats just outrages. i think ccp should do something about this since its just crazy that you can so easily pop a miner. concord pops up just too late to stop the ganker from killing the miner, which just sucks.

the reaction time of concord is about 3-5 seconds, more then enough time to kill a miner in a brutix. yes, the ganker gets shot, but for a nullsec thug is 15-30mill nothing. they do 1 anomoly and get raped. also their concord standing is -5.0 so they can enter highsec. there are people that killed 10+ miners in highsec and still continue raping them since they can enter highsec at all time. why? why dont they get killed when trying to go to highsec?

i think this whole "raping the miners" thing is getting all out of control, highsec used to be a safe heaven for casual gamers where we could just do whatever we like without worrying about nullsec/lowsec thugs that ruin people's eve experience. why cant these people go back to nullsec to change things there instead of raping us? dont they have better things to do then kill the eve economy?

so whats your opinion about this? what advice do you have for all those miners out there?

This is the inevitable outcome:
* CCP will do nothing.

IMO it's lame that the most powerful corp in the game decided to dedicate themselves primarily to griefing newbies. Kind of pathetic IMO.

If all of PL got behind the effort I'm sure they could but if it's just bmerc and the "mad about goons" contingent...well August has come and gone

Worst case scenario GÇô CCP buffs Concord response times once again and effectively displays to the community that one of the core fundamental principles of the game is just for show.

Best case scenario GÇô Even tho Eve loose some ice-miner subscribers, CCP stay the course and consolidates their and our notion of Eve as a "harsh and dark universe".

If their priciple of "no space is safe" only applies when times are rosy and when nobody puts it to the test GÇô like the goons currently are doing GÇô then it stops being a principle and becomes an empty salespitch.

Explain how what we are doing in Gallente ice belts is breaking the game.

The Holy Bible asks: What does it gain a man, to win the world if he loses his soul.

And then you come along, and lose your soul for some pixels in a game. I bet you will be the dumbest guy in hell one day.

It is really sad that so many people are desperate for attention and to feel significant.

Hey now, we're not all ginger.

I will start this out by saying I'm not totally against Goonswarm ganking ice miner's but I seriously think they've taken it too far. I mean having to pay to ice mine? I mean lets say they started patrolling all/most mission hubs and ganked anyone that tried to mission, and you have to pay an in-game corporation to mission?!

Goonswarm has taken this too far, CCP put mining in for a reason, it was created by them. When in-game entity tries to control a section of a game making in nearly unavaliable for outside entitys CCP really needs to step in and take control of this, I mean all the noob miners that are just starting out in their Mack's and then get blown up the next day probably aren't too thrilled. Sure there are corps that Ice Mine in null but that's hardly accessable for noob players who can barely fly a Mack and probably won't have a chance of tanking the rats in there.

When some people are paying RL money do to something in a game and then that get's cut off it's (almost, almost) stealing of a minor sort. CCP really needs to start stepping in soon if this escalates further

Just my two cents

P.S. I don't mine, and I don't even mission that much
P.S.S. maybe I'm over-exaggerating the situation but if it ever gets to the point where you can't ice mine anywhere in high-sec then it's too far and time for CCP to step in

All I need for breakfast is bacon, coffee, and a thread full of wailing miners tearing their hair out and begging for a no-PvP MMO.

Why is it that everybody who is mad at Mittens is eventually reduced to complaining about his avatar? Learn how to lose an argument with some class people...

Because "pubbie" means so much to . . . anyone?

I look even more smug in real life.

We don't find the word pubbie to be that amusing. The reaction we get, however, when we call pubbies pubbies? That's freaking hilarious.

Just for me if you please..

What does the "pubbie" stands for .. i lack any association with such word so i dont really have a clue where to put it.

I got some ideas but i could be mislead by my own imagination.

Look up a few posts to your response.

It just means a member of the general public...eg a person who is not a member of somethingawful.com. It's not like it's some horrible insult but people still get really worked up about it.

I was in a Gallente system in highsec with an icebelt, saw 11 ice miners and no goons. Checked back every couple of days and they were still there.

Goons up your game.